Hitler..... *ugh* Again?

[Anonymous]

New Hitler movie out... again..

Downfall

I somewhat pity the germans i guess.. Since Hilter's crimes get hammered in their head all the time. As well as their inherent guilt.
Germans are hard pressed to find any pride left for their country it seems.

When the media seems to be making money of of this fascination for
"The Third Reich". And looking at Discovery and History Channel there are regular shows about the Reich in black and white. I guess vietnam or the crimes of Idi-Amin or Pol Pot & co.. aren't as interesting or as flashy as the black SS uniforms.

People should br learned about the mental and circumstancial triggers for these kind of events. Then we might avert realization of them ever happening again. How the media can be used for propaganda and what signals they send about other people/cultures in relation to their own.

[Theocrat]

Above statement written by me... The login thing must have jerked when i installed SP2..

[Bill]

"And looking at Discovery and History Channel there are regular shows about the Reich in black and white. I guess vietnam or the crimes of Idi-Amin or Pol Pot & co.. aren't as interesting or as flashy as the black SS uniforms."

Nor as world-encompassing. How many people here have relatives that were incarcerated or killed by P. ol Pot? I. di A. min? H. itler? How many have parents or grandparents that worked in factories supporting the Vietnam effort? How about the WWII effort? How many have parents or grandparents that participated in air-raid drills during the Vietnam War? How about during the WWII.

I think there is an affinity there with H. itler and WWII that doesn't exist with your other examples.

[A_Non_Ymous]

Re: H. itler..... *ugh* Again?

New H. itler movie out... again..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363163/

I somewhat pity the germans i guess.. Since H. ilter's crimes get hammered in their head all the time. As well as their inherent guilt.
Germans are hard pressed to find any pride left for their country it seems.

When the media seems to be making money of of this fascination for
"The Third R. eich". And looking at Discovery and History Channel there are regular shows about the R. eich in black and white. I guess vietnam or the crimes of Idi-Amin or Pol Pot & co.. aren't as interesting or as flashy as the black S. S uniforms.

Could be you're right, but I wonder whether people just feel more comfortable
and perhaps "safer" talking about H. itler, which is now relatively distant history
as opposed to the more recent historical occurrences you alluded to.

I'd add, be careful about writing out words or names likc "R. eich" and "H. itler"
without putting something in to stymie Google. We don't want there to be a
mass influx of N. azi-fixated individuals because this site turns up with hits
on those words. A word to the wise. Too bad you can't fix the forum title.

People should br learned about the mental and circumstancial triggers for these kind of events. Then we might avert realization of them ever happening again. How the media can be used for propaganda and what signals they send about other people/cultures in relation to their own.

Santayana's much quoted remark seems أ  propos, but I wonder if that's really true
to the facts. I've observed that historical precedent, especially one so well known,
isn't forgotten so much as discounted a lot of the time. Self deception seems to
play a part, too, I suspect.

LSN

[Michael Moorcock]

While I make no serious comparisons, it's easy to see how so many people vote for a demagogue, given how they are prepared to vote for one in the US. I remember warning that if politics didn't get more representational people would start going for demagogues...
It's easier to understand now, at any rate. People think they are voting for 'strong leaders' in times of crisis when usually they are voting for the person least able to get them out of trouble.
We all know that Herr H was already losing the popular vote and only had that one last chance to get elected. A few scares, a finger pointed squarely at a minority to blame for all troubles, and he squeaked in. If
you study the period, you can see how weak or greedy people helped conspire to get him there and how they soon discovered, to their horror, what they had conspired in. This is in Vengeance of Rome, but Hugenberg, the media king, supported the Nasties (though himself a Catholic nationalist) because he thought they'd be better than any socialists. He got a nominal position (Minister of Agriculture, as I recall) in the early govt. but soon after effectively had all his power taken away and, as I recall, even spent a bit of time in the 'show' camp of Belsen, though it might have been the posh wing of Dachau. The philosophy of supporting a bad guy in the hope that he will somehow neutralise other bad guys (CIA policy even now) has been shown to be seriously flawed every time it's been used. But honestly I think the German people are generally over it, and in a generally honourable way. There aren't many of the original Nasties left, these days. While it would have helped them if they had managed to overthrow Mr Chaplin-look-alike themselves, I think their readiness to spot and resist his political offspring these days has been pretty thoroughly demonstrated. As with the attack on Iraq, some of us have learned pretty good lessons in the course of the past hundred years. Not Rock and Roll, man, Groovy Anthony Blare, of course, but what can you say to these Born Agains ? Or Zombies, as they used to be known. Seems he has a new message for us. He appears to have discovered global warming. Wow. That guy is just plain prescient.

[L'Etranger]

Er, I object to the notion that anything was "hammered" into the Germans' heads after 1945.
The often painful process of a thorough attempt to find out how this could have happened, or in other words, having had TO THINK (and to be wary of all "power-junkies" in future) is a great advantage over many others (like for instance the Austrians who were pretty much off the hook, albeit unmerited, or the East Germans who were told at school by their communist educators that, of course, all the Nazis had been West Germans ...). Having been forced to think ... an advantage even over the victors of 1945.
It is not all about feeling guilty, but about feeling obliged to think first, as easy as that. But if Theocrat says it was something hammered into the heads it gives an distorted impression. People weren't happy to be confronted with it, but it is not a brainwashing thing that took place. It was a terrific chance too... The New Right maintains it was "hammered into heads", of course, something they know a lot about.