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Arioch

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Your Perceptions of Arioch's forms.

02-16-2004, 12:07 AM

There is an ongoing debate on what exactly arioch looks like in his earthly manifestations, more so his youthful human forms. I was just wondering what you all thought he looked like. I thought he was a youth with a more feminine build, were as my brother sees it as a more Michelangelo's David crossed with a bit of the jolly green giant...minus the green skin.
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MJR

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02-16-2004, 07:29 AM

I've always pictured his "earthly manifestation" as a fair-haired, well-shaped figure, of youthful appearance, but ambiguous age(ancient knowledge in the eyes). An Aryan ideal perhaps. You know, blond hair, blue eyes(or perhaps black in this case). Isn't this how he was described?

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02-16-2004, 07:31 AM

If anyone has seen Evangelion, youll know who Kawaru is. Well anyway, thats what i always saw him looking like. A pale, beautiful, young man.

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02-16-2004, 07:32 AM

The answer is, of course, that Arioch appears as you would rather see him, unless he's a heaving mass of amorphous 'stuff' before he assumes whatever shape is most attractive to you. Generally I describe him as a very handsome youth with a beautiful voice, but he takes various manifestations, depending on circumstances and viewpoint. In the movie we will show him in mouth his amorphous, unpleasant form and his 'golden youth' form.

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02-16-2004, 07:50 AM

Very cool!

Ahaaa! An interesting tidbit about the film is revealed! Sounds good. Can't wait to hear and see more.

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02-16-2004, 04:10 PM

Second Ether references...

Originally posted by Michael Moorcock

The answer is, of course, that Arioch appears as you would rather see him, unless he's a heaving mass of amorphous 'stuff' before he assumes whatever shape is most attractive to you. Generally I describe him as a very handsome youth with a beautiful voice, but he takes various manifestations, depending on circumstances and viewpoint. In the movie we will show him in mouth his amorphous, unpleasant form and his 'golden youth' form.

Cool! :D

Will the movie include any reference to the Second Ether and to Arioch's place therein?

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02-16-2004, 05:54 PM

I always sort of pictured a sort of adolescent Dolph Lundgren, when he (Arioch) wasn't being huge and grotesque or amorphous that is.
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Arioch

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02-16-2004, 07:55 PM

If anyone has seen Evangelion, youll know who Kawaru is. Well anyway, thats what i always saw him looking like. A pale, beautiful, young man

Exactly what i thought when i first read the books. Interesting that we both thought of that exact character.
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02-16-2004, 08:52 PM

In mouth ? I think I meant in both! Sorry. Teach me to type when too tired....

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02-17-2004, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by Michael Moorcock

In mouth ? I think I meant in both! Sorry. Teach me to type when too tired....

Haha, i thought maybe what you were saying was going way over my head. Ive never heard the term "In mouth" before. See, even the best of us need sleep every now and again. Hehe.

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02-17-2004, 07:13 AM

I'm knackered. Don't seem to be sleeping much in recent days. I wouldn't be surprised if some of my published stuff will take on a surreal character...

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02-17-2004, 07:19 AM

I always pictured him as a young man with ancient eyes. But I know he could take on any form. He would choose the one that is most "useful" at the time

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Arioch

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02-17-2004, 04:12 PM

Haha, i thought maybe what you were saying was going way over my head. Ive never heard the term "In mouth" before. See, even the best of us need sleep every now and again. Hehe.

Exactly what i was thinking lol.
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02-17-2004, 06:29 PM

I just read the comics for Elric of Melnibonأ© and the Arioch there is the one Michael described (without the mouth stuf... hehe). I thought that very nice... Anyone who already read Garth Ennis' Preacher will see a familiarity with the image of God (The Almighty - no, not Bruce).

So, Aricoh is God? :lol:

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02-17-2004, 08:25 PM

Mike, dont try to do too much, a break never did anyone any harm.
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