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  • Astaroth
    Wanderer of the Mittel March
    • May 2004
    • 16

    Help with a description of Melniboné

    Hi!
    I am writing a story with a friend of mine for a roleplaying game.
    Since we actully use Elric's story and have the players be apart of it, I need a direct description of Melniobonأ©.
    How do the houses look and everything else.
    I guess icould take it out of the book but I don't seem to find anything,so please help me someone?
  • MissDreamy
    Citizen of Tanelorn
    • Mar 2004
    • 204

    #2
    There's a good description of Imrryr in 'The Dreaming City' I think - not Melnibone, but as close as you're going to get with the architecture. It's the part where Elric and Cymoril go riding (I think)... Less houses, more towers, all pastel shades - a place of beauty.

    ...Sigh, what a great scene.

    MD

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    • Wizard
      Sailor on the Seas of Fate
      • Jun 2004
      • 52

      #3
      Is it so important? I mean it is not matter how you pronounce it. Just enjoy the books)))

      Just remember that Elric is albino... And nothing else matters... :)
      Just kidding)))))

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      • MissDreamy
        Citizen of Tanelorn
        • Mar 2004
        • 204

        #4
        I think he needs help with a role playing game or sommink, Wizard... although I'm in agreement - any chance to pick up the books again!...ooo

        Though when I'm reading it to my kids (not that I'm thinking of having any brats at the moment) the pronunciation could be important then... Not that I'm thinking of reading a three year old stories about soul-eating swords, et al! Maybe when they're four, wean them in a bit.... :lol:

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        • Astaroth
          Wanderer of the Mittel March
          • May 2004
          • 16

          #5
          Thanks for you comments!
          Although MissDreamy was the only one who really helped me a little(thx), I would prevour(sp?)knowing a little more if someone doen'st know I will just take the description that was give to me.
          But it is a mistery to me.
          I don't think there is a tower for every Melnibonأ©an.
          I men there are rich and pour people there right?
          (Sorry for Spelling its 4 in the morning here.)

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          • Whiskers
            flying cat
            • Nov 2003
            • 1950

            #6
            The towers of Immryr are pastel colors. I envision easter candy colors if you know what I mean. All Melniboneans are wealthy and so one can imagine great builds for all. But they do have a lot of slaves. I cannot imagine a Melnibonean farmer, can you? Nope, they get what they need through trade.

            So, if you want houses and inns and that sort of thing, then you'll have to envision those things for yourself. Michael's world building stops at the places where Elric stands. I'm not bullshitting you. The only descriptions of places you get are where the story is taking place. Currency? The best we get is a pocket full of jewels that Moonglum carries around. The only habitation that I can remember some description of is the town where Corum appears in where he meets that prosthetic maker.

            Why not use the pastel colors to describe your version of an alternate Melnibone. So the question becomes, what does your Melnibone look like?
            The cat spread its wings and flew high into the air, hovering to keep pace with them as they moved cautiously toward the city. Then, as they climbed over the rubble of what had once been a gateway and began to make their way through piles of weed-grown masonry, the cat flew to the squat building with the yellow dome upon its roof. It flew twice around the dome and then came back to settle on Jhary's shoulder. - The King of the Swords

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            • Oren
              Guardian of the Grail
              • Dec 2003
              • 488

              #7
              Re: Help with a description of Melnibonأ©

              Originally posted by Astaroth
              Hi!
              I am writing a story with a friend of mine for a roleplaying game.
              Since we actully use Elric's story and have the players be apart of it, I need a direct description of Melniobonأ©.
              How do the houses look and everything else.
              I guess icould take it out of the book but I don't seem to find anything,so please help me someone?
              You can get Chaosium's "Melnibone: Dragon Isle and Dreaming City" supplement for their Elric! roleplaying game. It's available on Amazon. Or better yet - just use your imagination :D

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              • Astaroth
                Wanderer of the Mittel March
                • May 2004
                • 16

                #8
                Thanks Oren and Barry!
                You wouldn't notice it ,but that was really a great help.
                The suggestion with that book is a good one but unfortunetley, I live in little old Germany and it is kind hard to get this book here.
                It seems I will have to take the candy colored towers.

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                • Michael Moorcock
                  Site Host
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 14278

                  #9
                  OK. You should know something about my preferred method of writing, which may also go some way to explain the Jerry Cornelius stories. I believe in tweeking the reader's imagination -- in fact trying to stimulate the reader's imagination so that they invent their own version of things.
                  The idea of producing some sort of Guide Book to Melnibone is a bit at odds with that belief, as you can -- um -- imagine. I believe that people have richer imaginations than they often suppose, so what I'm trying to do is not impose a vision on the reader but offer, if you like, a means of reflection. To produce a hard and fast description of any of my worlds would be at odds with that. Malleability is the essence of the multiverse. Certainly the role playing books provide a lot of that and I don't mind people playing their own games, making up their own ideas and so on (though I draw the line at straight theft of MY ideas and characters!). For me the act of writing is one long collaboration with my readers.
                  I know that Tolkien had a taste for this sort of thing, but then he was an academic with a lot of time on his hands and it's what he really liked to do. I'm simply not that kind of writer. Indeed, temperamentally, I'm almost the opposite of that kind of writer. This harmless fun of Tolkien's, unfortunately, has produced a taste for pre-packaged worlds which in my view are inclined to dampen some kinds of imagination. To me that kind of fantasy is on a par with the crossword puzzle type of detective story, which bores me to bits. It's all sub-literary activity. As some readers will know, my editing of New Worlds was for people who don't have much taste for that sort of sub-literary activity. Such as learning Klingon. It's fun, but it's fairly primitive fiction.
                  My preference would be for readers to create their own characters and, if they like, their own millieux.

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                  • Michael Moorcock
                    Site Host
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 14278

                    #10
                    Sorry, I forgot to say -- if you're in Germany you can usually order via Amazon US or Amazon UK (or even Amazon, Germany), if you have a credit card. This sometimes help you avoid heavy import price hikes.
                    I'm not unsympathetic to importers, but they have expenses Amazon doesn't have and so the best deal is usually at Amazon, if it's in print and hard to get in the country you live in.

                    Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in Europe:
                    The Whispering Swarm: Book One of the Sanctuary of the White Friars - The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction
                    Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


                    Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
                    The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
                    Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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                    • Michael Moorcock
                      Site Host
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 14278

                      #11
                      Sorry about this -- more haste less speed -- but I meant to add that the Simonson version of Melnibone will be there for all to see come Sept 22 when the first book of the four goes out. This actually does touch quite a lot on the history of Melnibone, but mainly through her transition from the home of 'good' guys to the citadel of a cruel empire. Melnibone, though not coloured as I might have coloured it, has been very well done, I think, and tries to avoid the conventions of fantasy world building...
                      It's not mediaeval, for instance, or 'Celtic' or 'Norse'...

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                      The Whispering Swarm: Book One of the Sanctuary of the White Friars - The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction
                      Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


                      Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
                      The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
                      Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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                      • Astaroth
                        Wanderer of the Mittel March
                        • May 2004
                        • 16

                        #12
                        Maybe your right. It is not an original idea just putting them there to live an others adventure. Instead go somewhere where the books didn't go.
                        Give them description inspired but not made by you.
                        I think I got the idea and before forgetting the story I have made up in my head, I will attend to writing it on piece of paper.
                        Thanks for opinion and suggestion!
                        Oh by the way the characters that are played are unique.

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                        • Doc
                          Doc
                          Eternal Champion
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 3630

                          #13
                          For what my opinion is worth...

                          As I was reading what MM wrote about tweaking readers' imaginations, it reminded me of why I like his work better than most. Too many authors want to do all of the work for you by describing everything in great detail. For me, much of the fun in reading comes from filling in the details myself. That is what engages me the most, and makes me feel like I'm interacting with a story, instead of just passively absorbing it. I think a great experience often comes when a writer gives you just enough to let you turn your imagination loose.

                          My random thoughts on a Friday morning...

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                          • Wizard
                            Sailor on the Seas of Fate
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 52

                            #14
                            MissDreamy, you reading Michael's books to your children? It's great, I think.
                            It is a pity, that anybody didn't read them to me, when I was 3 years old))) :roll:

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                            • Michael Moorcock
                              Site Host
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 14278

                              #15
                              My bank manager started reading my books to his son not that long after he was born! I begin to worry what sort of strange children this is
                              going to create!

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                              Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles - Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - Modem Times 2.0 - The Sunday Books - The Sundered Worlds


                              Pre-order or Buy my latest titles in the USA:
                              The Laughter of Carthage - Byzantium Endures - London Peculiar and Other Nonfiction - The Sunday Books - Doctor Who: The Coming of the Terraphiles
                              Kizuna: Fiction for Japan - The Sundered Worlds - The Winds of Limbo - Modem Times 2.0 - Elric: Swords and Roses

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